....Triva at its best!
Sherri Wrote: Quote from a book about TS: Just a little tidbit some of you may find amusing. I'm in the process of reading a book titled "A Time for Love" about a woman who goes back in time from 1991 to 1876. One evening while she is sitting around the campfire with some cowboys she yearns for the banality of television, especially for "thirtysomething" ! She wonders, was Melissa ever going to find the right man? Would Hope ever stop whining and letting everyone know just how perfect she was? Such important questions-but now she might never know the answers. What a nice surprise to find that in the middle of a novel! The author must be a 30s fan.
Hal Wrote- Melissa's spin-off sitcom: Okay, I'm really going way back here, but maybe someone knows the answerto my question. When TS was cancelled, there were rumors that Melanie Mayron would be the first to get her own show. That a sitcom was being developed for her due to the strength of the "Melissa in Wonderland"episode. (She carried the entire episode quite well on her own) As we all know, there was no sitcom, but does anyone know why it was
scrapped? Was it because she was leaning toward writing/directing?
Or did I hear a rumor that was just that: a rumor. I was so
disappointed. I love Melanie Mayron. I wish she would do more acting,
> although I'm glad she's doing so well behind the scenes
Becky Wrote- ABC previews: I distinctly remembering tuning in to a particular episode of 30s when it was on ABC because of the preview commercial they were showing. It was
the scene when Michael is sitting on their stairs and Hope asks him, "Are
you having an affair?" I simply can't remember which ep it was now. But
that question was not really the most important thing in the ep. I
remember it was asked sort of off-handedly during a discussion they were
having about not having (making) enough time for one another. I think
the network showed that question just to get you to tune in, but really,
I don't think Hope actually thought Michael was having an affair
{Did Nancy go to the opening? Who was that woman w/the dark hat talking to
Elliot--} -
Mary W wrote - Melissa and Men: This has bothered me too. I would love input on this (maybe from someone with this episode on tape). It appears that the woman in the dark hat is
Nancy because they show her in several scenes with Elliot and Hope. They
don't show her face though so they leave you guessing. I think we are all
assuming it is Nancy because she would definitely be there and would most
likely have a hat on at this point in the show. If it isn't Nancy, is there
a reason why she wasn't there?? Just curious.
Marie wrote: Other notable eighties trends:
black-stemmed wine glasses (manufactured by Dominique-we all had them!)
wooden plate drying rack (very cutting edge at the time-gave tupperware a run for its money!)
leggings
Hawaii shirts
brass lamp fixtures with beige pleated shades
shoulder pads
women's blazers worn over long loose skirts
Jbrun wrote about Retro-snacking: I can't address the origins of this marketing trend. But I just want to mention that the whole concept of retro snacking is a major inspiration for a show on the food network called "Unwrapped". They frequently mention two web sites that cater to baby boomers who want to eat the junk food they had as kids but can't locate now. One of the sites has even succeeded in getting a few candy items that are long since discontinued back into production. One of them is hometownfavorites.com. The other is a candy store in California - the address escapes me right now
TJL Wrote: Episode Towers of Zenith I, and II
"The towers of Zenith aspired above the morning mist; austere towers of steel
and cement and limestone, sturdy as cliffs and delicate as silver rods. They
were neither citadels nor churches, but frankly and beautifully office-buildings."
Zenith is a mythical composite midwestern city in Lewis's 1922 novel, where
lives the novel's main character, the middle-aged, middle American, totally
conventional and self-satisfied businessman, George Babbitt. A "Babbitt"
entered the American language as an unimaginative, conventional, conservative,
materialistic character, a "Philistine". Besides making contemptuous remarks
about Minneapolis and the Midwest, there is no mistaking what Miles Drentell
thinks of Bob Spano: I don't remember the exact line, but he says something
like, "So Babbitt wants to buy the business..." This is another one of ts
little tributes to literature. (Can you think of others?)
Also with "towers" part II, the final showdown between Michael and Miles:
When I first saw this scene, when Michael expects to be fired and Miles gives
him the odd compliment of keeping him on (as in 'keeping your enemies close'),
I thought they had staged it in an unnecessarily melodramatic and over-the-
top manner (at least for a non-fantasy sequence). Pounding rain and crashing
thunder indeed, I thought,...while they're at it, why doesn't Miles sprout
fangs and tear into Michael's neck with some spooky organ music thrown in?
It was only much later that I thought of the scene in "michael writes a story",
(a script excerpt is included in Joseph Dougherty's profile at the Writer's
Guild website www.wga.org/craft/interviews/thirty3.html), where Michael reads,
after his first "successful" encounter with Miles, "Watching his straight back
as he walked away, I realized how busy the office had been around us. I hadn't
noticed it. I'd been aware of a sound, but not a human one. I had turned the
sounds of the office into the sounds of a storm. Rain. Thunder. If I'd closed
my eyes I might have seen the lightning reflected on our swords."
D'OH! I had forgotten about Nashiru's art of management! Now the lightning
and thunder and blitzen and fritzen make perfect sense to me! D'OH
Jbrun wrote, episode Mr. Right: Speaking of which, I commented on the Geraldo Rivera fantasy from "Mr. Right" ages ago, before the Bravo run of 30s. During the same season (3rd), Miles' dentist in "Towers of Zenith Pt. 2" was named Gabriel Rivera, which is the name of one of Geraldo Rivera's children. Perhaps he was on the set with his father? Anyway, since the names of minor characters usually have some significance, it's likely that there's a connection. I thought maybe you could include this bit of trivia in the episode guide you are compiling
TJL wrote: The haunting of DAA
Trivia: the "haunting of daa" features a minor character named Nick, a white
bearded gentleman, whom Michael fires. In real life, according to Joe Dougherty,that was Nick Meglin, a senior writer & editor at Mad magazine, (the Bible for
Baby Boom Boys of all ages) who was responsible for the ts spoof, "thirty-
suffering". Some episodes later, in "ot the door", Michael shares with El. his
hope to rehire the DAA staff that he had let go, like Hollis, and maybe Nick.
They think for a sec, then both agree, no, not Nick.
Cyndie wrote: Happy New Year: It is stated that Michael and Hope met on a blind date, more than once I believe. The show does contradict things sometimes however, and in one episode (which one escapes me!), Michael makes it sound like they didn't like each other at first. Other times, they make it sound like it was love at first sight?! And they met on New Year's Eve, right?
Lynch on the degrees of separation for TS: I'll write something, I'm not sure what, about the last episode in a dayor two. In the meantime, I've got a tricky trivia question about actors whoappeared on thirtysomething. Using the degrees of separation method, what's the ts link to the 1952 musical"Singin' in the Rain"? (There's more than one).
It can be a personal link as well as a professional one.Even trickier: What's teh ts link to "Citizen Kane"?
Jbrun on the degrees of separation with Citzen Kane: Herb Edelman, who played Melissa's father, appeared in an episode of Bewitched. Agnes Moorehead played Samantha's mother on Bewitched and played Kane's mother in Citizen Kane.
Lynch on the degrees of separation: Thanks to everyone who responded. My solution was so tricky that I feel
a little embarassed by it. But forging ahead...
Oh, I didn't much like Debbie Reynolds in the 1960's & 70's: one of those
entertainers who were talented but were too brassy and always tries too
hard. I preferred the more laid back Doris Day for the pert Blond girl
act, But, Debbie was better at it than Connie Stevens or (shudder) Joey
Heatherton. And Debbie Reynolds is very good (and restrained) as Albert
Brooks' mother in "Mother", a film I recommend. In 1998 the American Film Institute released their list of the 100 greatest American films of all time; "Citizen Kane" was #1, and "Singin' in the Rain"
was #10, and the highest ranking musical on the list, therefore making it
the greatest musical of all time. I like it a lot, but would agree that I
prefer the Astaire-Rogers musicals, especially "Swing Time".
Why I thought of "Singin' in the Rain" Ellyn's First Mom: Ellyn's mother was first played by the actress Betsy Blair. Betsy Blair was married to Gene Kelly, the star of many MGM musicals, from
1941 to 1957. Remember Mom telling Ellyn to stay away from good dancers? Hmmm.
Also Melissa's Mom: Melissa's mother was played by Phyllis Newman, who in
real life is marries to Adolph Green, who co-wrote the script to "Singin in
the Rain" and many other MGM musicals (including "On the Town", "The Band Wagon"and "The Bells Are Ringing"). Other trivia: In 1962 Phyllis Newman beat out Barbra Streisand for the Tony
Award for best supporting actress in a musical. Way to go Phyll!
As for "Citizen Kane", John Houseman collaborated with Orson Wells on the
script and over all production of "Citizen Kane". He recieved no credit
partly because Wells got mad at Houseman and threw a coffee pot at him.
(Welles later claimed he wasn't really aiming at Houseman, but these things
happen). Years later, Houseman became a sought after movie actor.
He starred in "Paper Chase", which featured the young David Clennon (Miles).
A few years later, Houseman starred in "Ghost Story", which featured the young
Ken Olin.
Now someday I'll figure out how to link thirtysomething to "The Wizard of Oz".
Till then, I remain your obedient servant, TJL